Two Conversations
Jun 2020

1. Taking photos with a phone (constantly)

How long ago was that?

Three, four years ago.

You look different now.

That’s why I take photos all the time.

Why? To remember?


But each time you take a photo with your phone, you give up a bit of your own memory.

2. The VR headset

… I had to admit I almost cried with the Northern Light out of the window. In the default living room.

See? I wanted to show you these possiblities and inspirations!

I did see a good VR film once. It was set inside a gothic church. You see the ghost of an opera singer and as she sang a moon…Really, a huge moon! loomed over me and I felt it in my bod—

Well I’m thinking is the phone call of the future. You feel close to the person you call and it feels real.

…But you said you wouldn’t go back to that virtual room and sit next to the stranger.

The one who friended me? Yeah, that was creepy… Have you watched this episode of Black Mirror? Two guys met in a game, they were supposed to fight, but they ended up making out.

Are you afraid it would happen to you?

I don’t want to talk about that.

…The experience with that VR film made me realize the levels of isolation of the experience. You have to make a reservation. You have to wait for a headset and headphones and two people assists you with putting it on. You are in this film by yourself… The cinema is different. The cinema is a space for -

Yeah I am the only one with a VR set. If my friends don’t have one, I wouldn’t have anyone to call. It’s just me in my living room.

How about the drawing your own boundaries in the setup? Did you like that?

I think we are talking about quite different types of—

That was pretty cool, right?